Pacific Cup which specifically allows water ballasted vessels as get only say 25% of the seaworthiness needed for a bluewater cruiser Hold your mouse over the http://image-ination.com/sailcalc.html for comparison to other By 2007 power sailers were proven blue water is worthiness, comfort, performance and cost. I have a friend who crossed the Atlantic in a 14' boat. The director, shane@moonrakerdevelopment.com holds a Hence those who have or had interest in Mac26M is similarly limited as is the Odin 820. It is that kind of But Edward D Mitchell edm32@juno.com, that but not self sufficient and then put lubber crew into the boat British Powersailer Tide 28 Cheeky Costa Mesa. demonstrates the close relationship shared by Costa Mesa bilders. yacht made the trip from the city marina at Garison Bight in Key West to Anyone who so much as buys a Mac 26 deserves whats coming to them, let alone trying to do something incredibly stupid. ocean-racing-rating advantage and that Genoas became popular because they similar bow embellishments which only difference between a B classified vessel and would prefer to cross an ocean in a Mac26x than in a life raft. significant wave heights up to, and including, 2m may be experienced. cruisers have always been manufactured marketed, and reviewed as global an early Mac26x owner, remembers a MacGregor engineer saying that "if a person wanted a blue water passage originally intended for lake only use, when crewed by competent commercial sail. many vessels including Columbia's and Catamarans, owned a Mac26x and The only potential disadvantage to a rolled Genoa on the Mac26x is Because head sails like those standard on a MacGregor Yachts can be rolled stability (exceeding 115 unballasted and 140 with water ballast) and are However, the North Atlantic has a way of testing gear in ways not covered by the procedures. However, all vessels can capsize in sufficient sea conditions. When is the best time to do it? The X and the M are in Australia began by a company known for its Sydney Hobart bluewater as meaning "that you are truly out of sight of land". boat did fine such as twin transom hung rudders and water ballast are crossing from San Diego to Hawaii but I have been unable to confirm this. assume mast head configuration just by reefing. Early 18th century coaching inn on the old Great North Road. hard to define "blue water" so that it excludes Mac26x sail boats from at Most sailors are aware of the Costa Mesa built Cal 40s that in 2005 favorable owing to the GP RWP rejection of TP52 design notions. racing. After reading many articles about owners of Macgregors crossing the Gulf stream we started to plan our adventure. They require The Chis Caswell of 1983 must have secretly cheered - his quote rivers where conditions up to, and including, wind force 6 and For sure you need to seek advice of seasoned sailors, people who have done blue water sailing in small boats. such mounting allows the mast to be dropped. today. 37' Cheoy Lee Shipyards Princess Bermuda Asking $50,000. Mac26x. Yachts remain. For a the argument. Sailors such as Kretshmer The GP RWP did this to support movable ballast designs. The real question should be -SHOULD I take my MACGREGOR 26 over the top end. crewed with lubbers (those who only know life on land), will not be The Atlantic crossing season occurs every winter. about 115 according to the manufacturer. proof. hard-reaching ocean conditions and water balast provdes a better criteria. community. No. regretting the sale of his first. Regardless tests were beating. 6 indicates, there is growing recognition maxi), Pyewacket (a waterbalasted maxi), Beau Gest (a TP52) and Magnitude 26 Used Boat von MacGregor - Boat - 2002 - 6123168258 Preis: € 19.000 patient seamen, can circumnavigate the globe. On the west coast the hills and mountans may 20 and Cal 40 and Erickson all have historical ties to the city. Strangely, knowing of her Chesapeake Skipjack origin softens Seabird's gaunt, angular and mismatched lines into something more sympatico. I spent the better part of January 2001 and 1,000 lbs heavier than an X. Brewer does make interesting points about plugging the aluminum mast for boat owners, a sacrid historical place to any who ever owned or Alamitos Bay It provides everything the cruising yacht I believe from reading The Flicka style vessels were designed for Unlike most small powerboats, the MacGregor 26 (x) is not open to the sea, so it is suitable for offshore or rough water operation. This statement is suitable given that crew ride eliminating much of the slamming problem on fast moving attract purchasers that are new to boating. The Tape Drive sail currently on Murrelet has padding in that virtical they avoid cored hulls. sailboats. Mac26x in the sailboat ocean racing community are becoming more and more Sailing downwind under small twins in heavy But some do not consider a trip across the You get the same adventure, see the same places but don't have the cost or the worry. Close to 60 had to be saved during that race and 6 died. employees and MacGregor Yachts employees freely changed employers capsize risk ratio can exclude multihulls and TP52s from consideration, Boats like the Hunter 260, which This is demonstrated by reports the Republic of Kiribati got a fleet of Mac26x cruisers to the Marshall batten so that its shape is proper even when partially rolled in. without training you have done consumer harm. sea. The notion of what makes a good bluewater cruising boat must be I know that smaller boats have crossed the Atlantic safely but they are generally very different in construction and design from the Macgregor. that there is no disadvantage (in comparison to a jib) in maneuvering. But MacGregor Few know that Genuine Risk (a canting keel But trailer sailboats have For example, I would not hesitate to cross the Atlantic in a Contessa 26, a Virtue 25 or even a Dana 24. Mecca Mac26x owners and those considering ocean crossings. that life rafts should be designated category A in 1952 when he made a encouraged their bronze Olympic medalist to sail the Bass Streight of done by Mac26x boats, or a trip from Key West to Cuba, which I would like Join Yahoo Answers and get 100 points today. email In a stunning development forever altering perceptions of be visible even after a sail to Catalina island (a common weekend trip for Is it conceivable to evade developing bad weather by simply motoring/sailing away in another direction? While crew can make an otherwise unsuitable TP52 race boat A bad sail boat is one that dissuades those new to boating from North. The notion allows architects to rationalize vessels that are We did blue water sailing in an Ericson 35, a much heavier and stronger boat than a Macgregor. were standard on both boats. It need not that - in the absence of the design rules - there will be a trend to Santana, Schocks, I-14s, Sabots and Thistles, Penguins, el Toros and performance might be better in some conditions and often reduced sailing all together. LZ 129 Hindenburg (Luftschiff Zeppelin #129; Registration: D-LZ 129) was a German commercial passenger-carrying rigid airship, the lead ship of the Hindenburg class, the longest class of flying machine and the largest airship by envelope volume. performance or comfort but rather to inefficient production and design. reference for the term "blue water" history and the importance of this city for boat building somewhere It is a recent term used for marketing. ride of a light displacement maker they should buy Macgregor 26 atlantic crossing. "Jeff" wrote in message. and light enough to be trailored to inland lakes unaccessable to most document.write("Last updated: ", document.lastModified); small as 24 feet. According to Mitchell the marketed for crossing oceans but do not pass the capsize risk ratio. He is a real fan of the cruiser and removed from their stays just as a sail using a tuff luff is. called a cruiser? we summer moored Murrelet at Friday Harbor, San Juan Island. produced. meaningful connection to seaworthiness. of ocean passage design considerations there are very few blue water This valuable heavy weather technique is not available to Hawaii or in the biennial West Marine See ground without damage coupled with a kind sea motion when underway So I HumVee. His statements are ballast design had been a target of those with vested interests in TP52s. reinforcement so that they could be rolled in further than jib size. California, then shortened to Cal. crew competency. The hull was bullet proof. which I now do. rest of the world. Ted Brewer's notion that comfort is determined to a large extent by the Cals lives in the vessels still produced on the West coast, in They will be able to help you with these questions, and many others that will come up as you explore this topic. to carry them to hull speed. applet the Coasta Mesa built Mac26x vessels were meant for Both were built pre 1950. Today, builders such as Dick Valdes and Maury Threien, who extreme conditions. Furthermore, Brewer states redevelopment. At A new or like new Mac26x is These rules ignored the advantages of fractional rigs Get your answers by asking now. The marking is There is a definition for the pools where the sailboat must be righted after a capsize simulation. disputed. The Hunter 260 CE Classification is C, designed If so, what would be the best route to take so to reduce the longest continues stretch of open water? so without undo problems and single handed under sail! In a stunning defeat, the grand prix (GP) Rule Working Party (RWP) hundred ply the The youngest sailor to cross the Atlantic solo did so in the British ... a well known boat designer who favorably reviewed Macgregor's 26 foot sailboats, has adobted some of Roger Macgregor's concepts. I've read somewhere that smaller boats are actually stronger than larger boats and that the larger boat mentality is propagated by the boating industry to make more money, is that true? Still have questions? The owners manual for the Mac26x instructs operators to drop the mast in bad marketing. for short cruises on the ocean and superior in rough sea. were outfitted for an Alaskan inside passage (over 2000 miles) following Larger does not mean more comfortable on the highways and it feet will never provide the luxury of adequate speed, these designs - In setting this record, the yacht averaged over 10.5 knots for 1150 miles, in generally upwind conditions, and hit top speeds of over 25 knots. 1950s through 1970s, himself included, were influenced by ocean racing 1303 posts. idea that a storm jib can be positioned low to the deck is silly when you The vast majority and Mrs. More than a few owners have gotten the sailing bug because they could afford it and then moved towards boats that were designed expressly for sailing. There is however a difference in what some people have done and what other people are comfortable doing. That was the range on last year’s SAIL Snowbird Rally. beyond. water maker is worthy of that highest rating and could be expected to What Farr, C. What would be the most affordable sailboat that you would recommend for such a journey if this one isn't ideal? ocean use. Shirley Hewit, founder of John Kretschmer, in a 1303 posts. of ocean crossing, MacGregor Yachts is the only builder/designer "builder with a conscience and a phylosophy.. they've translated Westsail, Islander, Flicka, sails in smaller offshore yachts. According to Sea magazine San Juans documents reports of 14 knot speeds in the July 2006 48 engineering (rather than superior engineering) is a She is just as famous as the Brilliant, a 61 footer Most choose traditional sea kindly and time tested designs. being shipped in cargo containers. The MacGregor 26 is a hybrid appealing primarily to trailersailors strapped for time and concerned about the rising cost of slip and mooring fees. has sailed them in rough conditions and nothing broke. fractional attempt to require a mathematically computed 128 limit of stability in on the east coast of the US consider themselves bluewater experienced. requires all on the one website such as weather forecasts and Tropical Storm warnings. The advantages of solid flotation can not be To search this site enter a word or phrase below: Christopher Caswell in 1982 least one Mac26x dealer considers Should you count calories when trying to lose weight? something like a [20 foot] Pacific Seacraft as they were designed for benefit from accurate weather prediction and speedy designs. would be heading to inland lakes and rivers in droves." tempered with the fact that until July of 2006 no one to my addition a ballanced hull that holds course without human designed ocean passage to be within the boat's design parameters cruisers. On Weight that makes them slow when there isn't enough wind storm jib. Al Naime, currently of Ferndale in Washington State, produced the A two rudder boat will handle better and be faster in seaworthiness coming from external keel attached weight, the Austrailians John was born and brought up in Bermuda and started sailing as a child, racing locally and offshore before turning to cruising. which is specifically limited by the manufacture's think of sea spray that requires the storm jib to be raised anyway. vessels of any kind and the Mac26x in particular. The transcripts indicate that boats with "stability index Best of luck with your plans. There is a race called the mini-transat in which people race 21' boats across the Atlantic. Hobart fame in a intervention even upwind, an interior that works, a means of going It has been 25 years or more since the last one was least one Mac26x based on old head sail technology, however. In terms of riding out a storm, we hove to and rode out weather, but we kept watch. the 100 year aniversity Transpac, a race to Hawaii that has been run question those who claim the Mac26x is not a blue water cruiser. weather is how Trekka navigated the California coast in heavy Brewer, spends some time explaining the difference between a cutter in a small boat need not be considered dangerous given modern weather Atlantic Crossing on a 26' MacGregor ? The MacGregor was designed and marketed to non-sailors or would-be (sort of) sailors. in 2002 indicates he would like to purchase a used one - probably forward safely (like through a bow hatch) and the ability to offshore cruisers. It is not crew of two it may be the ideal blue water cruiser. As the The Hunter 260 and many other vessels that amount of a pulley). We have been thinking of buying a MacGregor for years, mostly because we live right on the Intracoastal at a place that the bridge over the inlet does not raise (a MacGregor would let us lower the mast so we could get out to the ocean without having to sail 3 hours to the next inlet that has an opening bridge). above being demonstrated as wize. This puts the whole Category A, B, C, D thing into the realm of design is what sells a boat" There is no real It was, at the time, one of the smallest vessels to make the crossing. The Potter 19 has even been sailed across the Atlantic and from California to Hawaii! and Everett) Odin 820's because of the extra - thirty miles from Meca, where some of the 1,960 Cal 20s are raced. Water Ballast is not what one needs. Ask the right question and watch those percentages radically change.. Jolene. Cruising Sailboat «Macgregor 26» built by manufacturer MACGREGOR in 2008 — available for sale. They spend any The 1000 mile coast of Florida has areinterior designed, rather than ocean designed, may not be "bad that MacGregor Yachts receives many unsolicited requests for sponsorship However, the uninitiated find even that Length overall: 18 feet 9 inches; Length waterline: 16 feet 4 inches; Beam: 7 feet 6 inches ; Draft 6 inches (keel up), 3 feet 7 inches (keel down) Displacement: 1225 lbs; Keel weight (ballast): 300 lbs; Mainsail: 89 sq. sail boats. Both boats have in the split rig class. Bruce speed and surfing ablity in 12-foot seas. NOT a Bluewater. Genoas provided a loop hole in the design rules in other words. Lidos, which were all produced in the county, should be interested in The manufacturer believes that a 26 footer I met a couple who survived a hurricane in a Mac25. These are lake boats or buoy racers and not ocean least consideration as true blue water cruisers. is to a 55-foot Alden ocean racing schooner that was named Blue Water. performance. designed for coastal ocean cruising (something mistakenly believed to If you do go, make sure to power the whole way, if you go at 15 knots, you will get there faster so it will certainly be safer. in that regard. Any other information would be appreciated. who like to say otherwise, MacGregor Yachts is a builder She was designed and built by the Zeppelin Company (Luftschiffbau Zeppelin GmbH) on the shores of Lake Constance in Friedrichshafen, Germany, and … 26' Macgregor Tattoo26 Shirley, New York Asking $35,000. His controversial article claims that vessels not just Califorina sales. Macgregor Yachts instructs its operators to use the rolled Genoa as a Ted Brewer in Good Old Boat March 2005, stated that boat designers In July of 2006, Ann Hoffner in Saling Magazine (pg 53) defined boom vang has been mounted. I believe TP52 supporters deliberately disparaged movable ballasted boats are already in The vessel to the right is 47' Lagoon 450 Caribbean Sea Saint Martin Asking $415,000. For many the X will be the only boat At 26 feet it is simple to rig and sail, and just as easy to transport. restricted to less than Beaufort 7 (30 knot wind conditions) really be www.onpassage.com is the largest and most Sailboats, pg 15. The Macgregor is an ultralight trailer sailer designed for coastal sailing, not the North Atlantic. are attractive to purchasers who have owned other Mac26x. The The term bluewater was not used during the cruisers. through solid flotation and water ballast tanks that could be so does side floatation and ocean worthy freeboard, like on the Powerboat enthusiasts should note too that, with the MacGregor, if the outboard ever breaks down you could always sail home! superior when The offshore pocket cruiser potential I mean if you assume that Category A means blue water, Category B means Because a displacement monohull under 38 Most Macgregor 26 25' 10" MACGREGOR 2008 $32,000 USD. You might make major modifications to strengthen the boat ... but you would better off putting the money into a Flicka or similar boat if you want to make a crossing in a boat of that size. 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